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Re: No Polution

Postby Chris » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:33 am

It's been kind of a crazy round n round with the EPA over the years.

At first they didn't like the carbon monoxide so it was converted to carbon dioxide and sulphuric acid.

Next, they had a problem with acid rain so they've been mandating changes in the fuel.

Now, they're all wet about carbon dioxide emissions which is a problem that they helped to create in the first place.

It's no wonder that people take such a dim view of the environmental movement.

They won't be satisfied till we're all riding a bike to work every day. ;)
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Re: No Polution

Postby bobodu » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:10 pm

The whole thing is nothing more than a way for a few to get rich off of the many.
In the 70s they told us we would all be frozen by now...trouble was...they couldn't make a buck off laws and ways to force compliance. Also, it wasn't an easy sell like poor suffering polar bears. The fact of the matter is that the earth has been warming since the end of the last ICE AGE 10,000 years ago!!! What is so damned hard to figure out???

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Re: No Polution

Postby TheWingnutSquid » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:53 pm

Chris wrote:It's been kind of a crazy round n round with the EPA over the years.

At first they didn't like the carbon monoxide so it was converted to carbon dioxide and sulphuric acid.

Next, they had a problem with acid rain so they've been mandating changes in the fuel.

Now, they're all wet about carbon dioxide emissions which is a problem that they helped to create in the first place.

It's no wonder that people take such a dim view of the environmental movement.

They won't be satisfied till we're all riding a bike to work every day. ;)


Yeah. I wish there was a more econimical way of travel. There acually is, too but its extremely hard to manufacture. I forgot what its called haha
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Re: No Polution

Postby bobodu » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:35 pm

Dude....learn to use the "REPLY" button and lay off the quotes...
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Re: No Polution

Postby TheWingnutSquid » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:42 pm

bobodu wrote:Dude....learn to use the "REPLY" button and lay off the quotes...


there were two posts how would he know who im talking to?
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Postby nevadawalrus » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:53 pm

...........Squid, don't use "Quote" for every response!
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Re: No Polution

Postby TheWingnutSquid » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:10 pm

Eh :? sorry. Its a habbit. I understand your bandwidth and when you posted the picture i shouldnt have but when two people respond it helps when the person knows im talking to them and not the other pserson.

Sorry if ive been a bit of a bother bo
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Re: No Polution

Postby TheWingnutSquid » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:08 pm

And boom an elephant
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Re: No Polution

Postby Chris » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:11 am

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Yeah. I wish there was a more econimical way of travel. There acually is, too but its extremely hard to manufacture. I forgot what its called haha

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See the thing is that there are all these different people out there. They all have their ideas and beliefs about the right and wrong of things so they try to use the government to force their way of doing things on everybody else. The environmentalists are just like everybody else. What it seems to boil down to with them is that they don't like any kind of fire. That's why they want us to ride a bicycle or walk everywhere.

There ARE problems. My family has lived here on this island for over a hundred years and i carry the memory of how things used to be from my father & grandfather's day. The fish stocks that used to be plentiful are almost all gone now. All of our above ground fresh water resources have been contaminated and even the below ground aquifer is suffering. Depending on where i'm walking in the woods around 1/4 to 1/3 of the trees are dead, diseased, or dying.

Without going into a big long explanation the basic problem is that there just too many people in the world. There aren't enough global resources to go around so the natural human population controls of disease,famine, and war are starting to kick in to bring our numbers back down to manageable levels.

Your heart is in the right place Squid. I don't know if carbon dioxide emissions are really a problem or not but if you could figure a way of making it work without creating some other kind of problem in the process it might be a good thing.

You've gotta stay focused on the task at hand and follow all the way through.

The guy that came up with the idea for a catalytic converter probably made a million bucks. Maybe you're one of those rare people who has come up with an original idea. It's not enough to talk about it though. Go out there and make it happen.
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Re: No Polution

Postby jimw1949 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:48 am

I understand what you are saying Chris, but I don't necessarily agree with you about the motives of others.

For example, take the environmentalists. I don't think their intent is to force their views on others, I think it is more of an issue of their not wanting to see the Earth polluted any more than it already is. Granted, having Congress pass laws may prevent others from doing what they want to do and I can see where it could be misconstrued to mean that environmentalist are trying to force their will on others. But I firmly believe all they really want is to live in a world with clean water, clean air, etc, and they are willing to stand up and say/do something about it. I have to admire that.

As far as riding a bicycle or walking is concerned, sit on a bench in the shopping mall and watch people as they go past you. See how many overweight people there are, not just adults, but children as well. Don't you think it would a good idea if the American people would get outside and start walking or riding a bicycle? As a society we are way too obese and as a consequence the amount of medical care we need as we go thru life is much higher than it would be if everyone were more health conscious.

You brought up some very good points about where you live and the problems you are now having. The fishing is terrible, the trees are dying and the fresh water is polluted. How did those things happen? They were all caused by someone or something and who knows, maybe if the environmentalists had been around way back when, things might not be as bad as they are now. There is no way to know for sure of course, but it is certainly within the realm of possibility.

I am not so sure it is the number of people on the Earth that is causing the problems we are having, I tend to think it is more of a problem with greed than anything else. Greedy business owners that dump chemicals rather than pay to have them disposed of properly, greedy people who run their sewage into a river rather than pay for a new septic system, stuff like that. But I guess in one way too many people probably is part of the problem, after all there is a limited amount of natural resources available for us to use. But I think that to a larger extent the real problem is that we do not use the resources we do have as wisely as we should.

As far as alternate forms of transportation is concerned, there are alternate forms which are available, but they usually come with a higher price tag and not very many people are willing to pay the price to get them. As a society we prefer to pollute the air rather than pay the price and buy an electric vehicle, or ride a bicycle to work, or walk to the store rather than driving a gas guzzling vehicle. For reasons that I do not fully understand, collectively we feel we have some sort of God given right to do whatever we please regardless of how much it screws up the planet. The sad part is, at least to me anyway, is that in some respects I am just as guilty as the next person in this. I guess what irritates me the most about this is, instead of being part of the solution, I am part of the problem. That is something I really need to work on.
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